Moock's JavaScript-based detection doesn't work on IE 4.5 and lower on a Mac. In fact, any JavaScript-based detection is impossible in those browsers. The only advantage to JavaScript detection that I've seen is that it doesn't require another page load, but the disadvantages are numerous. You've got users that have the plug-in and a browser that can view the site...but your detection scheme doesn't know it. You can either force all those users to upgrade their browser (thereby requiring a 5+MB plug-in called IE5) or you can change your detection method. If you're interested, e-mail me off-list, and I can send you all the info you'd need to make the switch to the dark-side. I think I've bored enough people with my rant already. >:)

(Also: if anyone has a good reason to use JavaScript, I'd be interested in hearing it. )

--------------------------------------------------- Gregg Caines n e o m e t r i x systems inc. http://www.neometrixsystems.com gcaines@neometrixsystems.com

> They arrived without the Flash plug-in and were sent to a page telling them > so, with a link to the Flash plug-in download page. (I'm using Colin Moock's > Flash detection script). > > Both users clicked the link, downloaded Flash, then returned to my site, > only to be redirected again again and again to the page telling them they > didn't have Flash.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ flasher is generously supported by... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ flashforward2000 and the Flash(tm) Film Festival November 27-29, 2000, LONDON, National Film Theatre

Produced by United Digital Artists and lynda.com -Sponsored by Macromedia, Adobe Systems and Apple Computer -http://www.flashforward2000.com or UK tel. +44 (0870) 751 1526 Register before November 10 and save £200 http:// www.flashforward2000.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe or change your list settings go to http://www.chinwag.com/flasher or email help@chinwag.com